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this episode of the skeptic zone podcast

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is dedicated to the memory of michael

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wallahan a founding reporter for the

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show who died within the last week

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we extend our heart felt condolences to

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his friends and his family

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[Music]

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number 679

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for the 10th of october 2021 richard

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saunders coming to you from sydney

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australia and as we've said at the top

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of the show it's very sad indeed to hear

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of the death of michael wallahan what a

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wonderful guy

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michael was

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he

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has said was a founding

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reporter on the skeptic zone in fact

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michael and i

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used to work together on the show before

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the skeptic zone which was a video show

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called the tank vodcast for about a year

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pitt street mall here in sydney there's

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and michael and i are dressing the

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camera to kick off another segment or do

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another show i think we'd filmed another

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michael was so keen to be active michael

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of the australian skeptics here in new

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occasions when i would go over to

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michael's place on a saturday afternoon

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we would line up a row of nice german

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beers which we both

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quite like

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and watch an afternoon of skeptical

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documentaries on the tv via video files

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happy times

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so symbolically i say thank you michael

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for your help and support in the early

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years and for being there at the

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beginning of the skeptic's own podcast

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so in order to acknowledge and

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remember michael we have the first

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report today is one of michael's reports

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called the roundup an early segment

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michael used to do where he would look

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for skeptical news of the day and let us

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know what was going on and this one

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comes from december

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an interesting peek back into time with

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michael wallahan following that we look

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at some of the psychic predictions the

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psychic prediction crew are trawling

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through at the moment in order to

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of the psychic well

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they're made with astrology actually

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the predictions made by one milton black

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milton black who has been around for a

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then it's adrian hill from canada

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reading to you the australian skeptic's

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newsletter what's coming up

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then to round off the show back to the

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newspapers and so on and we're going to

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a curse on you a curse on them stay

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in memory

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hello my name is mike wallahan and

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welcome to the roundup where i share

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news and views of all interests skeptics

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humanists secularists and followers of

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the flying spaghetti monster my first

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pointless here comes a story from the

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usa bob larson a sensationalistic and

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scenes similar to those from the movie

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show it's cleverly called the real

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exorcist move over ozzy osbourne who

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the 63 year old minister says he has

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before more than 6 000 exorcisms in 19

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a political thriller that reveals how

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bob larson might not be a huckster and

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the power of god to thwart demons and

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rationable podcast on

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every couple of weeks i science the hell

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out of alternative medicines health and

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nutrition fads social media forwards

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science news and lots more of course you

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can find all of my articles podcast

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episodes and lots more on

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see you there and until then

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always be rationable

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[Music]

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now yeah once in a while you hear me

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talking about the great australian

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prediction project on the skeptic zone

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this project now has

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over 3 800 psychic predictions

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listed

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and most of them have been analyzed and

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scored

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the results will be published next month

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in a major finding by australian

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skeptics i can't wait till that's over

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i can't wait because it's

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been something i've been doing now for

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about 12 years

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but i thought i'd give you a little

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insight here a little insight to what

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the crew

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order to

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analyze a prediction

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now many times the predictions are quite

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straightforward

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that a certain football team would win

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the next match

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or this

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or that person will be the president or

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the prime minister or not

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or the economy could tank in this month

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or this celebrity will have a baby or

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not

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that sort of thing that sort of thing

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but sometimes

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it's really

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really quite something to try and make

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sense and analyze

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predictions

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and a case in point

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are the

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lengthy and numerous predictions made by

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milton black

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bills himself on his web page

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as australia's leading astrologer and

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psychic where he did for many years and

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now it just says australia's leading

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astrologer it also says

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milton is renowned for his uncanny and

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accurate forecasts on world politics and

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economics

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many a politician economist and trader

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have visited this website and read the

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monthly predictions concerning future

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global economical trends including

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subsequent stock market directions and

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possible overtones his predictions are

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astoundingly accurate

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well what i will say

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is his predictions are astoundingly

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complex

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and i thought i would read you one at

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random from the hundreds and hundreds

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and hundreds we've collected

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so many in fact that

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it's very difficult to

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really quantify all these predictions

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from milton black they're sort of like a

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special category

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now i've used the wayback machine to

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troll past predictions of milton black

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and this one comes from

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april april 2013.

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astrologically speaking this year you

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should not take anything for granted

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2013 will bring a massive contradictions

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uncertainties and surprises

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both good and bad for the global economy

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and governments around the world the

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past four years have been extremely

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difficult for the global economy mainly

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because of the unusual array of

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planetary aspects that have occurred and

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in some cases planetary combinations we

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will never see again in our lifetime the

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planet uranus planet of unusual and

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unexpected change is continuing its

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travels through the industrial and

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manufacturing zodiac sign of aries and

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will remain its influence until march

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it takes the planet uranus approximately

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global horoscope and during its transit

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never experienced the full effects of

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uranus in aries before so this planet

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connects with jupiter and pluto in

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particular it can turn a normal

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situation into sporadic chaos and

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unexpected change furthermore the planet

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pluto determination continues to reshape

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with powerful economic leverage the

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global horoscope as it transits the

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what do you make of that dear listener

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if you were to sit down and

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distill that into any

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form of predictions and that is one

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paragraph of thousands

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another example on the same page

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investors would be well advised

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astrologically speaking to watch very

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carefully their investments through 2013

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as many losses are forecast especially

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in the months of january 19th the 25th

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see the whole year is going to be a very

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difficult one financially and this is

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due to the incredible force of the mars

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jupiter saturn uranus pluto combination

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adverse planetary aspects

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unfortunately business collapses forced

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redundancies unemployment financial

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hardship and continued difficult times

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are ahead for many during 2013.

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unfortunately these slow-moving planets

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will cause many to forego certain

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luxuries in their life to enable them to

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counter the increased cost of living and

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huge expenditure to keep the family home

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running and food on the table from

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2013 to july 2014 many government public

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service employees will either be made

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redundant or lose their jobs through

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government cut backs

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[Music]

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and i say again that is just one or two

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now paragraphs of thousands we have

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catalogued

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so what we have done in the case of

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milton black

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is as far as possible and what we can

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glean and gather and catalog

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we've looked for

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predictions which can be quantified

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which can

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be put into the database and we can have

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a satisfactory

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answer to

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but you'll be pleased to know that

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milton black australia's leading

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astrologer and psychic

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did predict donald trump would be

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returned for a second term as president

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i think that's happening any day now

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in any case next month and i think it'll

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be at the australian and new zealand

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national convention which is at the end

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of next month end of

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november

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i will be reporting on the finished

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great australian psychic prediction

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[Music]

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i started listening to ono ross and

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carrie shortly after i broke my arm i

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couldn't get my book started it was just

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after my landlord died i was allergic to

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water i was lost honestly i knew it was

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time to make a change and that's when i

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turned on my preferred podcasting app

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what if all the answers i was looking

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for what if they were all right here

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there's something about oh no ross and

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carrie that you just can't get anywhere

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else they're thought leaders discoverers

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founders i'd call them heroes healers

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luminaries ross and kerry don't just

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report on french science spirituality

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and claims of the paranormal they take

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part themselves they show up so you

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don't have to but you might find that

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you want to

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my arm is better i wrote an entire book

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this weekend it's terrible but i did it

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my landlord came back from the dead if i

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can listen to this podcast anyone can do

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it just go to maximumfun.org

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thank you

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gary

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owner ross and carrie is just a podcast

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it doesn't do anything it's just sounds

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you listen to in your ears all these

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people are made up goodbye

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[Music]

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hello again this is adrian hill from

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canada with the australian skeptics

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newsletter number 133 written by tim

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mendem i wonder why tim doesn't read it

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himself hmm

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i think it's because the words are

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getting harder to read this newsletter

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comes out every other week and can be

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yours to enjoy in full by subscribing at

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hi all it says

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lots of items in this issue

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covet appears in many guises death irony

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even cartoons

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but there's also ghosts psychics lawyers

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and quakas to keep you interested and

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amused

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read on

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tim

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and a call out to me adrian hill in

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canada who reads this newsletter on the

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skeptic zone and apparently likes a

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verbal challenge

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when i stumble i guess i could use some

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lemon liniments and i think i'm going to

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asi news skepticon 2021

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it's an online event

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this year's skepticon the joint

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australian and new zealand skeptic's

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annual convention is to run from

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november 20th to 21st and will be an

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online event only the organizing

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committee drawn from both groups has

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decided that due to the risks and

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uncertainties of the current covet

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environment we would err on the side of

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caution and run a fully streamed event

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good plan

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previously it was planned to hold events

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in sydney and wellington and stream

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speakers between the two and from

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overseas it is obviously a

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disappointment not to have the benefits

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of those face-to-face interactions with

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speakers and other attendees that are

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such a feature of skeptical functions

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but in this case the risks of the

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pandemic the uncertainties of snap block

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downs and the logistics of putting on a

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convention with only a limited number of

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attendees allowed mean that the decision

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was a clear one

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we are confident that all attendees will

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agree that an online event is best for

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the protection of all involved

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we do know that the lineup we have

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organized will still offer a dynamic and

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informative event

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paid attendees will be given exclusive

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access to the online event both during

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and after the convention including

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provision for questions to speakers

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during each presentation

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tickets are now available from the

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skepticon shop

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the bent spoon nominees announced mp

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craig kelly and former mp clive palmer

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are lead contenders for the 2021 ben

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spoon

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nominations are still now open for the

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least sought after credit in the

563
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skeptical world or any world for that

564
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,559
matter

565
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,039
see the full list of current nominees

566
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make your view heard

567
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,360
and don't forget the newsletter comes

568
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with links you can click to read more

569
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for each story

570
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vaccination in europe the east west

571
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:43,679
divide

572
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into two parts

573
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:49,760
one half has embraced inoculation and

574
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,720
got almost everyone immunized the other

575
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:54,960
is struggling to convince large numbers

576
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amid deep mistrust of the vaccines

577
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,559
the dividing line sits roughly along the

578
00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:02,799
iron curtain boundary that once split

579
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europe into east and west

580
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[Music]

581
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,880
is stargazing your preferred management

582
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,640
style

583
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:12,799
it's a longest but interesting article

584
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,679
on how for too many leaders astrology

585
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:17,520
acts as a crutch that gives them a false

586
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:20,880
sense of control in an uncertain world

587
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,120
the seven stages of severe covet 19.

588
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,120
a description of the stages of covet

589
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,440
hospitalization clearly put and

590
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,280
beautifully and movingly told by a

591
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,919
respiratory therapist at a hospital in

592
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,280
california

593
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:37,520
pass it on to anyone who has doubts

594
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,240
about being vaccinated

595
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:43,039
anti-vaxxers outraged by family guy

596
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,559
sketch

597
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,320
public service announcement from seth

598
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:48,080
macfarlane's dysfunctional animated

599
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,279
family gives the lowdown on vaccines and

600
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,240
the occasional typically flight of fancy

601
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,640
think of the vaccine as a large ethnic

602
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:58,720
bouncer and coveted as the drunk

603
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,000
entitled white kid yelling quote do you

604
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,440
know who my father is end quote

605
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,679
needless to say it hasn't gone down well

606
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,919
with anti-vaxxers not known for having a

607
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,440
sense of humor

608
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,159
or fact

609
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,960
what to think when kova deniers get

610
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,400
coveted

611
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,240
psychologists say that it's not that

612
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:23,279
weird to feel schadenfreude when kova

613
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,080
deniers get coveted if we were more

614
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,919
religious and less caring we'd say it

615
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,240
was divine justice but every coveted

616
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,480
death is a disaster for the families and

617
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friends

618
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:37,360
the september 2021 issue of the skeptic

619
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620
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publications and one old one and the

622
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in-depth response by skeptics and

623
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skeptics as to where there might be

624
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,000
problems plus a whole range of stuff on

625
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641
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items of interest

642
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:30,400
listicle number one

643
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,360
the most haunted places in the world

644
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:35,279
using a broad and ambitious brush with

645
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,320
this list

646
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,480
but we feel a little bit left out as

647
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:39,919
there are places from all around the

648
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:42,720
world but not australia even new zealand

649
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,159
gets a mention is that fair we ask

650
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:48,000
is canada in there

651
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:50,080
i'm guessing yes

652
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,000
listicle number two

653
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:54,640
top 10 horror films you need to see

654
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:58,000
before you die a very select list as

655
00:26:02,630 --> 00:25:59,760
we've only heard of one of these and

656
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:02,640
that's because it is australian

657
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,400
quote top 10 obscure horror films end

658
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:07,919
quote maybe

659
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,720
then again a list of the 20 scariest

660
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:13,120
horror movies uses empirical methods to

661
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,400
rank its list heartbeats per minute and

662
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:18,720
heart rate spikes and the winner had a

663
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:22,080
spike of 150 beats per minute

664
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,840
listicle number three ten common russian

665
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,360
superstitions

666
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,440
just what you need for your next trip to

667
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:32,080
russia such as don't wear your clothes

668
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,600
inside out

669
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:35,679
which ruins our plan of optimizing the

670
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,960
wearable life of underwear

671
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:40,000
also

672
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,440
the psychic lawyer talks nonsense

673
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,840
mark anthony is a psychic lawyer and he

674
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:48,320
claims to have proof of quote spirit

675
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,520
communication based on sound scientific

676
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,080
principles end quote we hate to give

677
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,480
this guy publicity but the video on this

678
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,279
site has more sciency-sounding buzzwords

679
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,000
per square quantum than you could find

680
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,240
anywhere outside of deepak chopra

681
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,400
watching him means you won't have to go

682
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,039
to a thousand other science-abusing

683
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,440
self-professed psychics but you will

684
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:13,520
have to sit through this stream of

685
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:17,120
ludicrosity keep a bucket handy

686
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,200
it's much wiser to flux and awesome i

687
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:23,600
helipulificate

688
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,240
thanks tim and it actually has a sorry

689
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,880
adrian here for making me say that a

690
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,480
very long word

691
00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:32,960
and yes a lemon liniment might have

692
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:34,150
helped me here

693
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,840
[Music]

694
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,240
cuaka comes a cropper

695
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,640
last newsletter we added a quacka to our

696
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,120
collection of sports predicting animals

697
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,200
aquaka picked the western bulldogs to

698
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,000
win the afl grand final whereas as every

699
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,320
person in the universe knows the demons

700
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:52,960
one hands down quakas while they may be

701
00:28:02,710 --> 00:27:59,669
silly story of a couple months ago

702
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,720
teslas apparently can see dead people

703
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,720
tesla cars have a big display panel

704
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,240
instead of the usual dials in the

705
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,720
dashboard one of the features

706
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,480
is a display of the location of

707
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,960
pedestrians to warn drivers

708
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,200
one such driver featured on a tick-tock

709
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,360
post thinks his tesla can see dead

710
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,679
people after the warning light flashed

711
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,159
in an empty cemetery

712
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,840
he and his passengers spent the whole

713
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:25,919
trip screaming even though they couldn't

714
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:28,840
see any people dead or otherwise out the

715
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,840
windows others are not so convinced

716
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,080
suggesting quote teslas can see

717
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,440
tombstones end quote instead

718
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,760
that's all for now until next time this

719
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:42,480
has been adrian hill

720
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:57,750
hi this is rob palmer if you're a fan of

721
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,159
skepticism science and reason or you're

722
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,240
just a trek fan or better yet you're a

723
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,760
fan of all of that

724
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,360
you won't want to miss this special zoom

725
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,360
event by the philadelphia association

726
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,559
for critical thinking that's fact

727
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:12,159
i will be interviewing none other than

728
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,760
john de lancie

729
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:16,159
yes star trek's q

730
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,440
and we'll be answering questions from

731
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,919
the zoom participants as well

732
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,840
why is a skeptical organization hosting

733
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:23,840
an interview of a hollywood actor

734
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,320
well besides being a great actor john

735
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,960
also happens to be a skeptical activist

736
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,399
and we'll be talking about his interests

737
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,559
and activities in that continuum

738
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,840
area

739
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,600
you need to pre-register to join us on

740
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,600
zoom but the session will also be live

741
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:40,000
streamed on youtube so if registration

742
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:41,679
goes over 500 you can still watch it

743
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:42,799
there

744
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,520
the date is saturday october 16th in the

745
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,840
us at 2pm eastern time

746
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,360
i know that's early in the morning for

747
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:51,200
people in australia but some of you

748
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:52,880
folks down under might get up early for

749
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,279
this you can find the registration

750
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,799
information at

751
00:30:06,270 --> 00:29:59,039
tinyurl.com

752
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:12,149
[Music]

753
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:25,120
now it's time once again to peer into

754
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,159
the pages of trove peer into the pages

755
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,799
those pristine pages that drove those

756
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,480
precious anyway

757
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,480
the online resource from the australian

758
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,240
government and the national library of

759
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,559
australia digitised newspapers archives

760
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,480
journals gazettes going back

761
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,120
many many many many decades

762
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,799
and more or less continuing with our

763
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:46,000
paranormal

764
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:48,840
supernatural theme over

765
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,200
the segment we're going to be looking

766
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:52,960
this week at

767
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,269
now curses have played a part in many

768
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,760
cultures throughout human history some

769
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,840
people still believe in them

770
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,080
today

771
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,320
can you have a good curse

772
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,559
no i think curse is a

773
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,640
universally

774
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:16,399
a bad thing

775
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,919
and our first reference comes from the

776
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,159
year 1948

777
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:22,080
from the kalgoorlie minor in western

778
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:25,519
australia tuesday the 6th of january

779
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,279
superstition vengeance of the dead

780
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:31,279
can it affect

781
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,310
in an ornate bedroom in washington a

782
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:42,399
girl overdosed herself with sleeping

783
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:45,200
tablets and next day her death was

784
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:47,600
headline news around the world writes

785
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:50,640
mark priestley in titbits

786
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,000
for 25 year old evelyn mclean reynolds

787
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,320
was the heiress of the notorious hope

788
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:58,720
diamond traditional bringer of tragedy

789
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,600
to successive owners ever since baptist

790
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:04,320
tavernaire stole it from the army of a

791
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,760
burmese idol 300 years ago

792
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:10,000
marie antoinette and the princess d

793
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,200
lambal

794
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:13,360
both wore the stone and both were

795
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,720
beheaded

796
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,120
a jeweler named false stole it and

797
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,679
committed suicide an actress wore it on

798
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:22,000
stage of the folly begin

799
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:23,919
and was shot dead

800
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,880
lord francis hope inherited it and lost

801
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,880
his fortune in a series of stock market

802
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,360
crashes then the sultan abdul hamid

803
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:32,720
bought the stone

804
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:36,640
and was deposed and mrs walsh mclean the

805
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:40,080
present owner saw her baby son killed in

806
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,600
a traffic accident

807
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,519
small wonder if the curse of the hope

808
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:46,000
diamond with its saga of

809
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:48,880
vengeance and mystic asia has become

810
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,000
almost a legend of modern times

811
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,120
but is there anything in it thomas hope

812
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:57,200
the connoisseur who gave his name to the

813
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,159
jewel

814
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,480
never thought it unlucky

815
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:02,799
delving into the records i find that

816
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,399
traveniere the original thief lived to a

817
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:09,120
ripe and wealthy old age

818
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:10,880
we have heard much of the curse of

819
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,080
tutankhamen but no object in his tomb

820
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,240
was inscribed with the curse the

821
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,480
superstitious build-up began in the

822
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,039
november day in 1922

823
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:23,600
when howard carter arthur weigel and

824
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,080
others broke into the tomb chamber and

825
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,039
that same day a cobra entered carter's

826
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,240
house and ate a pet canary

827
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,640
it seems no more than a curious

828
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:36,880
coincidence that the cobra was the

829
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:40,240
symbol of royalty in ancient egypt

830
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,600
six weeks later however carter's chief

831
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,279
lord canarvan

832
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,919
died of aerosyphilis and pneumonia

833
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,159
following a mosquito bite it was said

834
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:52,320
that the mark left on his face by the

835
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,039
bite was in exactly the same position as

836
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,919
a mark on the face of the mummified king

837
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:00,320
lord carnavan's half-brother died in his

838
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:03,679
early forties and when dr james brester

839
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,519
died of aerosyphilis just after the 13th

840
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:09,520
anniversary of the opening of the tomb

841
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,879
the curse stories were revived dr

842
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:15,280
brester who first persuaded the

843
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,159
authorities to permit the excavations

844
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:20,480
had faced a battery of newspaper

845
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,639
reporters and publicly defied the curse

846
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,800
only a few months before his death

847
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:28,159
coincidence

848
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:30,159
many of the archaeologists who saw the

849
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,359
mummy of tutankhamen actually unwrapped

850
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,800
are still alive

851
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:36,800
declaring that scientific research

852
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,760
proved the tomb sterile when opened

853
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,000
howard carter never believed in the

854
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:45,280
curse and died years later of natural

855
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:48,079
causes nevertheless the credulous still

856
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,200
drew stimulus from a strange incident at

857
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,919
the imperial forestry institute when

858
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:56,000
some wood from the tomb was being

859
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,440
analyzed

860
00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:59,760
a beaker in which the wood was being

861
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:02,640
boiled was suddenly shattered and before

862
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:05,200
the tests could be completed the entire

863
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,079
apparatus blew up in the laboratory

864
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,400
perhaps a stronger case is to be made

865
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,800
out of the curse of the bereforts a

866
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:15,040
curse of quote doom

867
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,280
and death through seven heirs then quote

868
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:20,800
hurled at the first marquess of

869
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,000
waterford by an old irish peasant who

870
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,359
found him a troublesome landlord

871
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,160
his son died at an early age of twelve

872
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,720
and the eldest son of the second mark

873
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,680
quiss

874
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,280
died at ten

875
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:37,520
the third marquis died of a broken neck

876
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:40,880
in a hunting field the fourth died of

877
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,520
fever the fifth shot himself and the six

878
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,280
was found drowned

879
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,200
now it is hoped that the curse has

880
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:49,359
played itself out for the seventh

881
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,720
marquis

882
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,040
and the seventh heir died from an

883
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:55,200
accidental shooting wound shortly before

884
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,320
the war

885
00:36:00,270 --> 00:35:58,640
is it possible for evil to strike from

886
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:00,280
the grave or for the

887
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:03,040
vindictiveness of the past to affect the

888
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,000
present

889
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,320
in the family of the earl of ferris

890
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,960
there is a curious couplet

891
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,560
a black calf

892
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:12,960
and death shall laugh

893
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:15,680
set over the ill-fated house in which

894
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,640
was planned the execution of mary queen

895
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:20,480
of scots

896
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,599
usually the cattle of the estate are

897
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:24,960
wholly white

898
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,359
but it is a curious fact that

899
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,240
whenever a black calf is born the death

900
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:32,640
of an important member of the family

901
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:35,359
usually occurs within a month

902
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,079
then there is the caldera curse known to

903
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:41,280
all sussex men when sir anthony brown

904
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:43,839
turned the monks of battle alley out of

905
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:44,800
doors

906
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:47,599
the last monk to leave pronounced an

907
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:50,960
anathema of death by fire and water on

908
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:55,599
the house of the despoiler for 250 years

909
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,480
nothing happened and the curse seemed

910
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,400
ineffectual

911
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:02,560
burned to the ground

912
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,839
then in 1793 a group of careless workmen

913
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,480
left some rubbish smoldering in caldery

914
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:09,680
castle

915
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:12,640
and the place was burnt to the ground

916
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:15,520
a week later the last vikant montague

917
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,800
was drowned in the rhine and only a few

918
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:20,960
months elapsed before his sister and

919
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,079
heir lost her two sons who were drowned

920
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,960
while bathing at wagner

921
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:28,960
the alleged malignancy of the curse

922
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:32,160
survives battle abby the earlier home in

923
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:35,359
the family was leased to a steel

924
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:36,560
millionaire

925
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:38,240
one of his daughters was drowned while

926
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,440
yachting

927
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,760
then the battle folk attributed her fate

928
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,680
to the outraged monks

929
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,839
the next three residents lady webster

930
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:47,760
and her daughter were drowned in the

931
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:51,359
lake in the park their only son died in

932
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:54,320
france in the first world war and was

933
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:57,520
last seen surrounded by the enemy in a

934
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,359
blazing house

935
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:02,160
common sense opinion battle became a

936
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:03,680
girl's school

937
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:06,560
before long pupils and mistresses alike

938
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:08,880
had narrow escapes when buildings were

939
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:10,960
destroyed by fire

940
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,160
is there anything in this curse business

941
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:16,720
perhaps i cannot do better than quote

942
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:20,240
the opinion of mr c v e hubert of the

943
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:23,520
society for psychical research

944
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,720
my personal opinion he says is that

945
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:29,520
there is nothing in it i have never had

946
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,000
a shred of what we would regard as valid

947
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:33,920
evidence for anything paranormal in

948
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,240
curses if the subject is aware of the

949
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,880
fact that he has been cursed suggestion

950
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:41,359
is a potent cause of neurosis or actual

951
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,720
illness just as you get faith cures so

952
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:46,560
you get faith ills

953
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,280
as to curses affecting posterity

954
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,839
that's fantastic

955
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:53,760
what a long line of

956
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,720
unfortunate events in that report

957
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:58,880
and our next reference comes from the

958
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,760
year 1970 on the 11th of august

959
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,079
published in the broadcaster

960
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,040
which was a newspaper from fairfield

961
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:09,599
here in new south wales

962
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,480
doomed ships curse

963
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:14,880
a shipwreck of the new south wales coast

964
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:18,320
40 years ago has placed an eternal curse

965
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:21,520
on the whole of australia

966
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:23,440
each year during the long hot summer

967
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:26,079
months the curse manifests itself and

968
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:28,480
wreaks hundreds of thousands of dollars

969
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:29,839
worth of damage

970
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,720
but far from being supernatural the

971
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:34,960
curse appears in the form of

972
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:37,760
millions of fruit-eating

973
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:38,960
finches

974
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:41,599
that ravish the lush orchards of the

975
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,119
east coast

976
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:45,599
the finches were part of the cargo of

977
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,800
the 4

978
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:48,640
500 ton

979
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:51,119
burns philip steamer

980
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,240
malabar

981
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,240
which sank off long bay on april fool's

982
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,000
day 1931.

983
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:58,560
malabar went down on a rocky shelf only

984
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,800
a few hundred yards off the coast and

985
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,720
was probably the lamest shipwreck in

986
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,280
australian maritime history no lives

987
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:06,720
were lost and the finches were released

988
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:09,839
from their crates as a humane gesture

989
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:11,839
the birds thrived in their new

990
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:14,640
environment and have since made the name

991
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:17,119
malabar a dirty word to fruit growers

992
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,079
and gardeners all over australia

993
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:22,560
this is one of the fascinating stories

994
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,599
contained in a new magazine

995
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,079
ships of yesteryear produced by the

996
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:30,319
publishers of powerboat and yachting

997
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:31,599
magazine

998
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,400
ships of yesteryear

999
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:36,000
you just never know where trove will

1000
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:38,000
take you folks i tell you ships of

1001
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:39,280
yesteryear

1002
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,960
deals with the ships both power and sail

1003
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,119
which laid the foundations for maritime

1004
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,520
australia it begins with james cook's

1005
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,839
endeavour and traces the history of both

1006
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:52,000
famous and little-known ships which

1007
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,680
carried some of the great figures of

1008
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:56,160
history on voyages of exploration trade

1009
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:57,440
and war

1010
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,800
priced at 40 cents it is on sale at all

1011
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,640
news agents

1012
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:04,640
there we go a little advertisement there

1013
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:07,760
for a magazine what am i now i'm about

1014
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,280
51 years out of date oh well

1015
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,359
and next we have an item here from the

1016
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:15,520
toowoomba chronicle and darling downs

1017
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:18,720
gazette from queensland dated the 14th

1018
00:41:23,330 --> 00:41:21,599
of february 1924

1019
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,340
the gambling evil

1020
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,200
[Music]

1021
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,920
australia's greatest curse

1022
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:29,520
melbourne wednesday

1023
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,160
the reverend w albeston addressing the

1024
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:34,880
presbyterian federation declared that

1025
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:38,160
australia's greatest curse was

1026
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:39,520
gambling

1027
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:43,359
registered bookmakers handled 20 million

1028
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:46,319
pounds of the people's money annually

1029
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,640
this was in addition to the millions

1030
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:50,800
taken out of the public's pockets by

1031
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:54,000
unlicensed bookmakers if a man went into

1032
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,040
a barber shop for a haircut it was more

1033
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,000
than likely that he would be given a

1034
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:02,960
list of quotations on the new market and

1035
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,240
australian cup in addition to service

1036
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:08,480
the betting evil he concluded had

1037
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,640
permeated the whole community

1038
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:14,560
well there you go there's another

1039
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,240
spin on the word curse

1040
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,960
and of course to many people even today

1041
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:22,720
that is

1042
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,280
a uh a sad curse indeed

1043
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:28,000
now we move on to the newcastle sun

1044
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,720
published in 1954 on the 6th of october

1045
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,720
no one wants a curse

1046
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:36,880
and there is a picture accompanying the

1047
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:39,200
report here of a man sort of leaning

1048
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,680
over looking at a uh

1049
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,359
a small statue

1050
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,440
an evil curse is believed to have been

1051
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:47,839
placed on this marvel statue of an

1052
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,440
eastern goddess said to have been stolen

1053
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,359
from an eastern temple more than a

1054
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:55,200
century ago

1055
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:56,720
that is the reason why people of

1056
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,119
brampton brampton north devon are

1057
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:02,240
anxious to have the goddess moved from

1058
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:03,440
the village

1059
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:05,839
so william williams

1060
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:14,880
statue some years ago reckons he had had

1061
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,920
his share of bad luck so sent the

1062
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:19,839
goddess to the local council but they

1063
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,400
are not interested the goddess had been

1064
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,160
overlooked in the fish pond at sir

1065
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:26,640
williams country estate near the village

1066
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,599
till his recent bad luck

1067
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:32,160
parish councillors are now in a quandary

1068
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:33,839
they don't know how to get rid of the

1069
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:37,119
statue sitting outside the local garage

1070
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:40,720
it can be claimed by anyone with the

1071
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,359
means of moving it out of the village

1072
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,800
now what a

1073
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:49,440
strange story that was and i wonder what

1074
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,560
the ultimate fate of this statue is

1075
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,400
and to my uneducated

1076
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,680
eye

1077
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,160
uh it's possibly of

1078
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,800
thai origin but i can only make a guess

1079
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:03,359
and finally we come to the newcastle sun

1080
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:06,839
once again on the 31st of august

1081
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:09,760
1929. witch's curse

1082
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,400
fear of evil eye

1083
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:14,240
wild republicans

1084
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,520
daredevil black and tans and all the

1085
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:19,680
bullets and blazers of the civil war

1086
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:22,480
never struck such terror into the heart

1087
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,760
of james shanti a galway ireland

1088
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,200
farm labourer

1089
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,280
as a witch has done

1090
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:32,400
shanty lives in terror of the evil eye

1091
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,520
although his friends scoff at his belief

1092
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:37,760
he is convinced that he is followed

1093
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:40,880
everywhere by the dreaded curse of black

1094
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:43,920
magic in 1916 just before

1095
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:47,119
the shin faina's revolution

1096
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:50,480
and i'll pause very quickly here to say

1097
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,280
the text here is a little bit faded and

1098
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:55,280
warped over the years

1099
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:56,560
we read on

1100
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,400
revolution he was asked to hide a gunman

1101
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,400
who was on the run

1102
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,480
anxious to keep out of trouble of any

1103
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,040
sort he refused and the man was captured

1104
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,040
and sentenced to imprisonment then

1105
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:11,760
shortly afterwards he was visited by a

1106
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,200
strange bent old woman who explained

1107
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:17,760
that she was the mother of the man he

1108
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,720
had refused to befriend

1109
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,280
her rage was unbounded

1110
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,760
she raved and cursed at him

1111
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:27,839
sprinkling on the turf fire of his

1112
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,560
cottage a handful of herbs that burst

1113
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:33,119
into a blue flame she swore that his

1114
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:35,920
wife would bear dead children

1115
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,119
and his feet would drag under him and

1116
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,000
that when his employer was stricken ill

1117
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:45,040
shanti would die and his master would be

1118
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,599
spared and it's again some of these

1119
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,520
words are a little hard to decipher

1120
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:51,599
going to the age of the article fears

1121
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,640
grew

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00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:53,760
with him

1123
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:57,040
when his first baby was born dead and

1124
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,079
when this unhappy event was repeated he

1125
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,400
rushed in terror to a priest

1126
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,119
last year he was stricken by lumbago

1127
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,280
and there have been repeated and severe

1128
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:09,359
attacks at intervals

1129
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,030
so there we go just a few references to

1130
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:19,760
curses of varying kinds

1131
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,280
over the uh

1132
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,839
over the years as recorded at the trove

1133
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:25,920
archives

1134
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,680
the curse of gambling hmm

1135
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,520
oddly enough

1136
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,680
the curse of gambling the curse of

1137
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,520
alcoholism the curse of drugs they're

1138
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:37,760
not really curses but

1139
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:40,000
i guess we can see the analogy

1140
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,359
i guess we can

1141
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,960
maybe those sort of things are the true

1142
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:44,640
curses

1143
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,599
and right now outside the window about

1144
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,200
four or five

1145
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:51,040
houses down the street i have the curse

1146
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,560
of the lawnmower

1147
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,400
which sometimes comes along when i'm

1148
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,800
recording segments for the skeptic zone

1149
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,000
but you do

1150
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:00,960
can read all about curses and bad luck

1151
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,160
and things like that magazines about

1152
00:47:08,670 --> 00:47:07,200
sailing ships by visiting trove

1153
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,680
at

1154
00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:11,359
trove.nla.gov.a you put in a search and

1155
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:14,680
you'll never know what you will find

1156
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,069
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1157
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,280
zone and thank you again symbolically to

1158
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,359
michael wallahan there were many more

1159
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,640
reports in fact if you go to

1160
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:42,960
skepticzone.tv

1161
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:43,839
and

1162
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,119
michael's name you'll see all the early

1163
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,040
episodes of the skeptic zone and you can

1164
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:54,000
hear more of his reports

1165
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,119
now

1166
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,440
it's come to my attention

1167
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,760
in the last week in fact this was

1168
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:02,240
brought to my attention by a few people

1169
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:03,359
in fact

1170
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,720
including listener graham donald but

1171
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:07,839
the news

1172
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,960
here says anti-vaxxer

1173
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,960
killed pharmacist brother and

1174
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,119
sister-in-law

1175
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:17,359
for killing people with curved shot in

1176
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,559
other words

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00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:20,400
it appears

1178
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,880
that someone who was

1179
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:26,880
motivated by the

1180
00:48:29,950 --> 00:48:27,599
the

1181
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:29,960
anti-vaccination

1182
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,280
misinformation has actually killed

1183
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:35,359
his brother and sister-in-law because

1184
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,240
they were

1185
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:38,240
dispensing vaccines

1186
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,559
i think that's the gist of the story we

1187
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,160
also have another

1188
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:44,880
case i've noticed coming across the news

1189
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,839
feeds

1190
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,720
of

1191
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,880
people in california i think it is at

1192
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:50,240
schools

1193
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,079
banding together and yelling and

1194
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,960
screaming at parents and children who

1195
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,559
are walking to school because they're

1196
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,200
wearing masks

1197
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:01,359
and the more this goes on

1198
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,910
compare the behavior of these people to

1199
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:09,119
a cult

1200
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,400
and like so many other cults it has led

1201
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:18,880
to the deaths of many people

1202
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,000
um

1203
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,640
not just because of this apparent

1204
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:24,000
killing

1205
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,520
i mean more so that the people

1206
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,000
in the cult or who are influenced by the

1207
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,079
messages of the cult

1208
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,520
are the ones not taking vaccinations and

1209
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,160
are dying in large numbers but you don't

1210
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,319
need me to tell you that that's

1211
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,319
being reported on especially in the

1212
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,720
united states just about every day

1213
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,720
so again we ask the question well what's

1214
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:48,160
the harm what's the harm in not

1215
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:49,839
believing in vaccines what's the harm in

1216
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,480
believing in conspiracy theories

1217
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:54,160
which is at the bottom of all this i

1218
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,280
think

1219
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,880
and again i'm reminded of michael

1220
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,559
wallahan because one of the things he

1221
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:59,599
did

1222
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,240
in his skeptical activities

1223
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:04,240
he wrote reports for the skeptic

1224
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:05,599
magazine

1225
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,480
and he was very concerned about the

1226
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,800
activities of cults

1227
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:12,319
thank you to those people who continue

1228
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,520
to support the skeptic zone at

1229
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,200
skepticzone.tv

1230
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:16,880
without your support the show would have

1231
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:19,920
stopped many many many years ago thank

1232
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,000
you to brian dunning for a wonderfully

1233
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,319
fun time about a week ago where i

1234
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:26,240
appeared on a three-hour live video

1235
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,000
broadcast with brian

1236
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:29,680
and dr kiki

1237
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,680
and kenny biddle as we did a trivia day

1238
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:35,680
and that was a fundraising

1239
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,559
exercise for skeptoid

1240
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,960
which has inspired me i'm going to do

1241
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:42,640
something similar myself i'm just going

1242
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:45,040
to have a think what to do exactly but

1243
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,800
coming up

1244
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,720
at some stage in the not too distant

1245
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,880
future i'll have a live video stream

1246
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,640
with some special guests some some

1247
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,119
reporters maybe some famous skeptics who

1248
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,079
knows what um the cat down the street

1249
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,720
and uh we might do something similar to

1250
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,400
entertain you and have a bit of a

1251
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,880
fundraiser but i'll let you know once

1252
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,880
that's uh fleshed out a bit

1253
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,480
yet another shout out to our dear

1254
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,800
friends in victoria

1255
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:12,319
who

1256
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,839
aren't facing a happy time at the moment

1257
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,920
because the numbers keep going up and up

1258
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,119
and up

1259
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,520
and yesterday which was saturday because

1260
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,839
i'm recording to you now on sunday

1261
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:23,839
morning here in australia yesterday the

1262
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:26,720
numbers were almost at 2000 new

1263
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,760
infections so hello to my my dear

1264
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:31,280
friends in melbourne

1265
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,800
and tomorrow here in

1266
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,480
in new south wales

1267
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,559
it's being labeled so-called freedom day

1268
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,839
where a lot of restrictions will be

1269
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,760
lifted i will be able to travel more

1270
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,520
than five kilometers or about three

1271
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,599
miles from where i live

1272
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,839
and i'll be able to do things like visit

1273
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:48,720
my

1274
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,839
and now that

1275
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,400
now that the worst is over i can let you

1276
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,319
know that over the past

1277
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,160
three weeks

1278
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:01,680
i've been under some

1279
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,960
some strain and stress because my sister

1280
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:06,559
fully vaccinated

1281
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,119
contracted covered and she had a very

1282
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,760
rough time indeed awful awful for

1283
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,880
everybody

1284
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:16,800
but just a couple of days ago she was

1285
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,359
finally released from hospital and is

1286
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:21,280
recovering well

1287
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,880
and she was told

1288
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,480
quite plainly

1289
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,640
in the hospital ward

1290
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:28,880
where she was on her oxygen that if she

1291
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,520
hadn't been vaccinated her situation

1292
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:34,079
would have been very very much worse and

1293
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:35,920
we don't want to think about that

1294
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:37,920
and i don't need to tell you

1295
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,720
get vaccinated folks get vaccinated so

1296
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,240
next week i'll be able to tell you more

1297
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:43,920
about what happened here

1298
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,559
in this city in this state when

1299
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:49,040
restrictions or many restrictions were

1300
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:50,079
lifted

1301
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,440
we

1302
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:53,440
are interested to find out

1303
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,280
and just before i go

1304
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,119
as i think i mentioned a week or two ago

1305
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,520
i've opened up a new tick tock account

1306
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,160
at richard underscore saunders and i'm

1307
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,400
putting up various not only cat videos

1308
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,240
but various videos

1309
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,119
called mystic minute where

1310
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,839
within a minute or just about a minute i

1311
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,960
talk about

1312
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:14,160
various

1313
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,400
paranormal and mystical things so far

1314
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:18,079
i've put up videos about

1315
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,440
psychic reading

1316
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,440
palm reading

1317
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:24,160
tarot cards and pendulums

1318
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,359
so you can click the link at

1319
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:26,880
skepticzone.tv

1320
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:29,920
or just have a look for me on tick tock

1321
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,920
but for this week this is richard

1322
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:33,839
saunders signing off from sydney

1323
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:41,030
you've been listening to the skeptic

1324
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,480
zone podcast

1325
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:43,920
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1326
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,150
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1327
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,720
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1328
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,960
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1329
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:56,880
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1330
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:59,599
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1331
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,760
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1332
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,079
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1333
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:06,160
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1334
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:09,359
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1335
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,720
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1336
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,319
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1337
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:16,640
skeptic zone are not necessarily those

1338
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:19,200
of australian skeptics or any other

1339
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:35,030
quaka

1340
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,240
comes

1341
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:39,280
now after doing flux and arsenal

1342
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:42,640
pulificate i can't say quacker okay flux

1343
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,319
and ass and i half pulificate

1344
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,559
with the dice with the dice wait folks

1345
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,640
well i'm playing susan gerbic's weekly

1346
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,480
trivia game which has been

1347
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,720
uh an absolute wonderful thing during

1348
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,559
the pandemic a group of us a huge group

1349
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:58,079
how many people we've got here 30

1350
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:00,079
something or other a lot of people about

1351
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,680
30 on average

1352
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:03,920
and we playing a weekly trivia game with

1353
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,400
susan gerbic and friends and it's

1354
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,319
tremendous it's great fun and it really

1355
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:10,480
helps during this time and one of the

1356
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:13,040
categories in the trivia today

1357
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,079
was dice believe it or not believe it or

1358
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:18,160
not so folks i'm holding up

1359
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,640
a regular die here a d6 the classic d6

1360
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,240
i'm going to roll this three times and

1361
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,000
we're going to see you at home and you

1362
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,559
hear playing trivia who can uh who can

1363
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,960
predict using your psychic powers who

1364
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:32,400
can predict what numbers are going to

1365
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:41,109
you're you're all holding up your hands

1366
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:42,319
you're

1367
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:43,920
yelling out things here we go recording

1368
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:55,910
sent me a dice rolling

1369
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,000
contraption here we go the first number

1370
00:56:01,190 --> 00:56:00,079
is

1371
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:01,200
five

1372
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,190
this is rigged that's right

1373
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:09,280
this is first last time was five the

1374
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:10,880
second day okay here we go the second

1375
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,839
roll richard he's gonna be five again

1376
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,200
tell you're not cheating him up two

1377
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:17,839
again i'll try i'll try to hold him

1378
00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:26,069
and the winning number is three

1379
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:28,150
amazing three

1380
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:31,599
so five three and you may got three

1381
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:34,160
final one this week here we go three

1382
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:37,680
five four thousand five one came up four

1383
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:42,470
and it is a

1384
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:07,190
i glitched it

1385
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:08,789
okay one more one more for fun here we

1386
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:21,829
and the last number is

1387
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,270
thank you for playing and thank you

1388
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:31,440
susan gerbic for arranging trivia every